RUSH: We'll go to San Francisco. Jim, welcome, sir, great to have you on the EIB Network. Hello.
CALLER: Hey, Rush. I agree with everything you're saying, of course, but the bottom line is the headliner out of this is no bias, right? It's their Mueller report, you know, no collusion. That's all you're gonna hear despite the fact what you're pointing out. I think there are two things that we can do to put the spotlight back on.
The first one is gonna come tomorrow during the Senate hearing. These senators need to grill Horowitz. When he appeared in front of the House the last time answering the Hillary email question, he got thrown softballs by legislators who didn't really know the issues and were just asking questions that their staffers gave to them and had no follow-ups to the BS that he was putting out.
They need to really cashier this guy. If he can't find in evidence of bias, then they need to go over and over and over again about the motives, what possible motives did Brennan have, what possible motives did Sally Yates in unmasking Michael Flynn. And just go over and over and over and they need to coordinate their assault. They need to have somebody that is very good speaking basically do a prosecutorial assault on Michael Horowitz tomorrow. The second thing that needs to happen, Rush, John Durham's been in office since -- working on this since May --
RUSH: All right. Hang on a minute. Look. I'm out of time here. Can you hang on through the break? Because I'm not gonna get enough time for you to get your second point.
RUSH: I want to go back to Jim in San Francisco. Jim, I really appreciate your holding on through the break. I want to go back to the very top of your comments. I want to preface them with what Horowitz is actually saying, because you're right.
RUSH: He says over and over, "We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced the decisions to open the four individual investigations." Again: "We did not find documentary or testimonial evidence that political bias or improper motivation influenced" the FBI's decision to seek FISA authority on Carter Page. Now, that alone is all the media needs to ignore everything in this -- and you're right. It's just like when the Mueller report came out and said, "No collusion."
That was it, and the Democrats have been trying to rebuild that ever since, and they haven't been able to. And we're gonna have a tough task, which is why I'm spending some time on it today. But I want to give you just an example here of how Horowitz admits this. He asked Peter Strzok... Horowitz goes in, he asks Strzok if he was biased because he was texting with Page about how Trump was the "opposition," how they needed an "insurance policy," all these texts.
Horowitz knew that Strzok and Page were sending these texts back and forth. So he goes and asks Strzok if he was biased, and Strzok said he wasn't biased until he began the investigation -- which is an obvious lie, but Horowitz claims to have believed him. (chuckles) So that's how they come up with "no documentary or testimonial evidence."
CALLER: Rush, nobody thinks they're biased. Hitler didn't think he was biased against the Jews. The problem is that we have to get... Tomorrow. It starts tomorrow, and the senators really have to do their homework, and instead of all 10 of them speaking, they should defer to the guy who's best, and let somebody who really understands these topics really bore down into Horowitz. The second point I was gonna make -- and it's very important, and this would go a long way -- is John Durham has been on the case since May. What has he done?
I mean, we hear all this stuff. "Oh, he's empowered to pull people in that are outside of government. He's empowered to impanel a grand jury." Well, has he impaneled a grand jury? I mean, my goodness, Rush. At this point, seven months into this... At this point, Mueller has already impaneled a grand jury and very publicly indicted Michael Flynn, George Papadopoulos, and others. We need to start seeing some action out of Durham, otherwise what's gonna happen is they're just gonna wait this whole thing out. And then, God forbid, Trump loses, Barr will go away and this whole investigation will go away. (crosstalk)
RUSH: Wait just a minute. Is that what you suspect? You suspect we're being played even by Barr?
CALLER: No, but I think that they're taking their sweet time about it. (crosstalk)
RUSH: And why do you think they are?
CALLER: Because seven months into the Mueller report, we had already had a lot of action.
RUSH: No, no, no. Why? No, no. I'm acknowledging that they are. Why do you think they are taking their sweet time? Why are they not giving us status reports? Why are they not telling us what they found so far, either by action or indication?
CALLER: I think Durham is probably like Horowitz in that he likes to dot the I's, cross the T's, make sure everything is perfectly accurate. But you know what? You could take a year and a half and do that and be out of office. The thing is, you get things done by getting them done. It may not be perfect, but you start arresting people. Kick the doors down!
RUSH: All right. Look. Stick with me on something here. I think... I'm gonna take a stab at explaining this. I may not succeed. It may take me two or three times. I'm not making excuses for anybody. If I were to answer my question to you myself (proving, once again, that the best questions asked of me are ones I ask myself), I would hope that its timing is coordinated with the reelection campaign. I would hope that the big reveal is going to happen at a time where it has the greatest electoral impact. Now, that kind of flies in the face of independent investigations that are not biased and not, of course, dependent on any other real-world activity. I think it's really this. Do you --
CALLER: Rush, I --
RUSH: (sigh) Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead.
CALLER: Okay. Well, you know what? I think, you know, maybe you're right --
RUSH: No, no. I haven't told you what I really think is going on here. But go ahead and object to it anyway.
CALLER: Okay. Well, I think a lot of us on this side have been patiently waiting. Frankly, we were given a lot of false expectations about this Durham report --
RUSH: By who? Wait a minute! Who gave you --
CALLER: Not by you. Not by you. Not by you.
RUSH: No --
CALLER: Not by you, but by --
RUSH: Durham didn't. Durham didn't give you any false expectation, and Barr hasn't. So who has?
CALLER: No, I'm talking about the Horowitz report. There was a lot of blowing up. You watch Fox News. But my point is --
CALLER: We have kept our powder dry for three years, okay? "Just wait. Just wait 'til this comes out. Just wait to that comes out," and now we waited for Horowitz, and it's gonna be a big, you know, gas bag, basically. So now it's like, "Wait for Durham." I think instead of waiting for a final report from Durham -- you know, which will come out in June during the election season -- I think it would help us keep our motivation up.
If we saw some indictments... Indictments, the kicking the doors down. You know, calling CNN and having them be there while we kick the door down of some of these people. James Comey. James Comey, whether we're gonna ever indict him or not, he needs to be put under oath and made to squirm in front of a prosecutor under oath with threat that anything he's gonna say is gonna be held against him. But I think it all starts tomorrow, Rush, with these hearings.
RUSH: Right. Okay, who chairs the committee?
CALLER: It's gonna be Grassley, and he's the Elmer Fudd.
RUSH: No. No. No. Lindsey Graham chairs the committee.
CALLER: Oh? Oh, n...? He chairs the Judiciary Committee?
RUSH: Yes. Yes, yes, yes. Yes, he chairs the committee.
CALLER: Okay. Well, Lindsey, who's... I've got questions about Lindsey. He's a lot of talk.
RUSH: That's why I asked you who was chairing the committee.
CALLER: Well, okay. Yeah, it was Grassley; now it's Lindsey. But Lindsey is --
RUSH: Have you heard what McConnell said today? McConnell wants a quick Senate trial. "Wham, bam, thank you, ma'am."
CALLER: Of course.
RUSH: Trump says, "No. I want a big, dramatic trial! I want you to draw this out. I want you to expose these people." The Turtle is saying, "We're gonna get it done. We're gonna be in and out of it and it's done with," and Trump doesn't want to go by fast. He wants to spend a lot of time, call people. He wants to expose these people. McConnell says, "I want it to go by quickly."
CALLER: Trump is exactly right. I think McConnell's making a big mistake. Secretly, I think they're worried about getting themselves exposed, 'cause I think a lot of these people have dirty hands in Ukraine and all these other things.
CALLER: It would be a big mistake. Trump is exactly right. We need the trial. We need to call Adam Schiff, call the whistleblower.
RUSH: K. Now, this takes me back to the answer to the question that I, in deference to you, did not answer, and yet let you object to it even though I had not answered it. Why do I think this is taking so long? What's really going on here? I understand that your desire mirrors that of practically everybody in this audience. You want to see somebody go over to James Comey's mansion and knock down that front door and run in there and turn over every bit of furniture looking for evidence and frog march his ass out of there to jail just like they did with Flynn and just like they did with Roger Stone and just like they do with Manafort.
And until that happens, none of this is fair and none of this is just. I know that's what you want. And then you want to see the same thing happen to that creep Brennan. The next thing you want to see is Clapper caught wearing a wig at JFK trying to get to the Maldives where there's no extradition treaty. Yes, I know you want to see all of this. And I would love to see it, too, but it ain't going to happen because none of that that happened was just. All of that was manufactured.
These guys did not deserve any of that happening to 'em, and reciprocity I fear is not on the table. I think the reason that they're taking their time with this is because what they have undertaken to do is so big and so monumental and is so risky that if they don't get this done all buttoned up down tight, every dot and every T dotted and crossed, if they don't do that, these guys are dead.
Who are they taking on? They are taking on a largely invisible establishment deep state what-have-you. It has never been done before. They see what has happened to Trump with his efforts. These guys are serious. Barr and Durham are trying to dismantle a way of life for people. They are trying to dismantle decades of establishment consistency, patterns, lifestyles that are set in gold, futures that are guaranteed for themselves and their kids.
You can't do this with PR. You can't do it one indictment at a time. If you're gonna do this like they're doing it, when it's time to present it, it better be absolutely indisputable. Because if there's anything in it that's not battened down, if there's anything in it that isn't true, these guys are dead.
It's one thing to say we're gonna drain the swamp. It's one thing to say we're gonna get rid of the deep state. It's one thing to say that we are going to take our country back. It's another thing to actually do it. The people who are the targets of this are not just the Comeys and the McCabes.
Those people are the foot soldiers of the movement. They are not the brains. They are not the money. They are not the organizers. They're not the power brokers. They are not the people that assign the jobs in the deep state. These are not the people that determine who gets membership in the deep state and who doesn't.
But if you go after those guys, you're gonna find their bosses and you're gonna have to take them out as well, and this is a deeply serious, big time undertaking that is unprecedented. For all this talk about Trump wanting to be a monarch and a king, this actually is the equivalent of taking down the invisible apparatus that actually has been running this country for take your pick of how many decades, but at least since post-World War II.
And it has people in it everywhere. It has people in all the major universities. It has people internationally entrenched, in the European Union, George Soros, all of these Western European diplomats and so forth, the State Department, they're gonna be taking on a tremendous number of people here.
It's not just Schiff and Nadler and Pelosi trying to impeach Trump and get rid of him. It's people whose names we don't even know. It's people who live in places we don't know. And if you're gonna take those people on, when it's time to actually make your move, you better have everything you need because these people are gonna be launching back at you with efforts to destroy you and everything you're trying to do to them. Because this is taking on, this is actually attacking and trying to bust up a way of life that has been entrenched.
I mean. this is the ruling class. Let's look at it in terms of Angelo Codevilla. This is the ruling class. And Mr. Codevilla thinks they've already won, that we can never, ever go back to the founding principles of this country as a majority belief by the American people. He believes common citizenship is no longer possible. That's how deeply they have infected the fabric of our culture. He believes that their objective is to eliminate us.
What do you think this all is, overturning the results of an election? What is that, really? It's negating and nullifying us. Yeah, we're deplorables or whatever, but what we are is noncitizens, what we are is nonfactors to them. This effort to get rid of Donald Trump is an effort in truth to rid themselves of us as a competing political force.
And we got two guys that have decided to take this on, Bill Barr -- well, three -- Trump, Bill Barr, and John Durham. And I don't think they want to telegraph how far along they are to these people. I don't think they want to give 'em any heads up at all, what they have found. And it could well be that at the end of all this we're not gonna get anything. I don't have any idea.
I don't think that's true based on Durham's statement yesterday, reaction to the IG report. Durham wouldn't have said what he said yesterday if they already didn't have evidence and witnesses to contradict what Horowitz said.
I think it is such a profoundly major thing that's being attempted here. Look at it as trying to defeat the Soviet Union without firing a shot. It's a much bigger undertaking than people think. It's not just draining the swamp. It's not just getting rid of the people you know and having the people you know in this thing be punished. That would be great. And I share the emotion that you expressed with that.
But these are just the foot soldiers. These are just the little order takers. These are just the people appointed to these positions to do the advance dirty work for the people we don't know, to protect the people we don't know. And I'm not even talking about Obama. I'm talking about people way above and beyond Obama or any president.